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Post by DoctorThrills on Mar 19, 2009 22:08:43 GMT -5
For Sheree to address the finalists.
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Post by sheree on Mar 20, 2009 17:03:29 GMT -5
Thank you Thrills for running a very organized game with amazing challenges. You are always a great one for this! Congratulations to the final 3, you are each sitting here so you each must have done something right. I have made many observations of each of you throughout this game, both good and bad, and will give my vote to the player who I feel is most deserving of the win. With that, here are my questions:
Nathan: Congratulations on your accomplishment! Obviously I am a bit peeved off with your decision here in the end of the game. While the help I provided may or may not have helped you win the HoH where you nominated me, I feel that you were dishonest with me. I have two questions for you! 1. You said that you were told that I had said that you were stupid for not nominating me, was this a lie or are you just that easily deceived by other players? 2. The final POV appears to be a tad bit lopsided. Are you going to tell us that you were just that lucky or are you going to admit to cheating?
Warren: Congratulations to you as well! I recognized you as a threat very early on in this game. This is why I nominated you and Nathan in week 5. While you were my ultimate target that week, I feel that my assessment of you as a threat was much more on cue with reality than your assessment of me. You told me at the end of the game that you were surprised that I turned out to be such a threat in the end of the game. I am curious then as to why you nominated me for eviction every chance you got since you didn't see me as a threat when you did it.
Anthony: Congratulations on your final 3 accomplishment! I am happy for you to be sitting in the finals, I know that if either of the other two had won the final HoH that you would be sitting in the jury if there were only a final 2. You were definitely outnumbered by them. My question for you is was there ever a time in the game that you purposely threw a challenge or lied to someone in order to make yourself less of a threat or better your position? If so, who did you lie to?
Question to all of you: Looking at all of the jurors, tell me what you think about each of their games. Tell me if they were strong competitors, pawns in your game, or whatever other opinons you have of them.
Thanks and once again congrats! I am proud of all of you!
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Post by Anthony on Mar 21, 2009 10:58:01 GMT -5
My question for you is was there ever a time in the game that you purposely threw a challenge or lied to someone in order to make yourself less of a threat or better your position? If so, who did you lie to?
Question to all of you: Looking at all of the jurors, tell me what you think about each of their games. Tell me if they were strong competitors, pawns in your game, or whatever other opinons you have of them.
Hello Sheree!,
I played to win every challenge. I never threw any challenge. I was always trying my best and to win every challenge I could.
I did not lie to anyone to better my position or make myself look like less of a threat. I played this game and never really hid anything because I felt that people should see how I play and I played to win, but also played honestly.
Sheree- I thought you were a great player, strong in competitions and in your social game. I wanted you to come to the end with me.
Kathleen- I think she was really strong and that was her downfall early.
Donna- Played a more quiet game but had the silent threat label.
Eric- was really quiet in this game.
Tom - Floated through a lot of the game, some say he was a weak player biut when he tried he did well, he was also nice to talk to in this game.
Liz- Her gameplay was not here. She didnt do a lot of comps so I would rate her as a weak player.
Scott - I would rate his gameplay the worst. He never read ( made me upset) and gave his whole game up and rights to competitions up for warren very early on.
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Post by nathan on Mar 21, 2009 12:33:38 GMT -5
Nathan: Congratulations on your accomplishment! Obviously I am a bit peeved off with your decision here in the end of the game. While the help I provided may or may not have helped you win the HoH where you nominated me, I feel that you were dishonest with me. I have two questions for you! 1. You said that you were told that I had said that you were stupid for not nominating me, was this a lie or are you just that easily deceived by other players? 2. The final POV appears to be a tad bit lopsided. Are you going to tell us that you were just that lucky or are you going to admit to cheating? Question to all of you: Looking at all of the jurors, tell me what you think about each of their games. Tell me if they were strong competitors, pawns in your game, or whatever other opinons you have of them. Thanks and once again congrats! I am proud of all of you! Hi there Sheree. First I want to comment on what you said. Yes, I knew you would be peeved at me for voting to evict you. Yes, your help in that HOH was a huge factor in my winning. And yes, I was dishonest with you that week. But no, I didn't think you were someone who would take things so personally in the context of a game. Did you expect me to sit around and let you win? Would that have garnered your respect? Quite frankly, after you nominated me and Warren, I never quite trusted you. I liked you, but I always kept my eye on you, and after that week I knew I was going to have to take you out eventually. You said you nominated me so that people would not think we were together - but that early in the game, you don't nominate an ally. It's just stupid. So I came to the conclusion that you were either NOT actually my ally in this game, or you made a stupid move. And since I believe you to be a very shrewd and smart player, I had to assume that you were not in fact on my side. From that moment on, I knew I would eventually have to take you out when the time was right Also, it seems now your story has changed, and you claim to have nominated me and Warren because you knew we were threats. So, you have lied to me too. Don't get on a high horse about honesty when you can't back it up with your own actions. Yes I lied to you. You lied to me. In fact, most of us lied in this game. Get over it. Now, onto your questions: 1. No, that was not a lie. I was told that by Warren, and he is the only person that I ever fully trusted in this game. But if I'm being perfectly honest, I was going to evict you anyway. You were by far the bigger threat. If I had kept you around that week, I feel fairly certain that you would be sitting here in the finals, and would probably walk away the winner. It was strategy. That's all. 2. Fair enough. But I want to point out that I worked my ass off in challenges. I tried harder than anyone, I believe. I won more than anyone else did. I was HOH practically every other week. In the end that made me a lot of enemies because I'm responsible for so many of you being evicted, but I knew I had to do it or else I would be out. It's as simple as that. So are you surprised that I did well? It's not like I'm Tom or Anthony who completely got dragged to the end because they sucked so much at challenges. To answer your question, no, I'm not just that lucky. I had several people tell me their confessional post counts. Thrills said that was ok, and I went with it. Eric- I didn't talk much with him. I thought he was ok, but nearly everyone told me he was a snake and a liar. Elizabeth- Hello? Elizabeth? Are you alive? People told me that she was such a threat and so great at competitions. I guess she had other things going on, because I don't think she was a factor in this game at all. Kathleen- From early on in this game, I knew that Kathleen was going to be my biggest competition. Every time we had a challenge, I knew that Kathleen was always going to do her best and try her hardest. She was also very social and went out of her way to get to know people. So yes, she was a huge threat. Donna- I think Donna is a very nice person, but for some reason I always thought she was against me in this game. Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe she was just quiet. But she never really opened up to me, and that made me not trust her much. Scott- I think Scott is definitely underestimated. Unlike Anthony, I think his decision to give up challenges was a great move because it made him no threat to anyone. He was the only eviction in this game that I didn't completely see coming. And he may be the only person in the game who never said a mean word to me about any of you. Sheree- You were an amazing social player. I think everyone liked Sheree. That's what made you so dangerous. The week you were evicted, you asked me point blank if I was going to evict you, and you said you just wanted an honest answer. So I gave you an honest answer. And what did you do? You called me names. You said I was a coward. Your true colors came out and you were mean. Had you just been cool and talked to me about why I should keep you and confirmed to me that you were on my side, then I may have changed my mind. Instead, you ultimately cemented my decision to get you out. If you're seriously mad at me for turning on you, I want to ask you a question - if I had kept you in the game, would you have honestly stuck with me and not evicted me at the soonest possible time? Because I have my doubts. Tom- Tom may have made some moves that I didn't see, and I will give him that. But from my viewpoint, his game was the weakest of any of the jurors. The only reason he got as far as he did is because no one wanted to waste a week on getting him evicted. We all had other fish to fry.
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Post by Anthony on Mar 21, 2009 13:14:21 GMT -5
What the Hell Nathan. I won 2 or 3 HOH's and 2 or 3 POV's
I did not get drug here and suck in challenges. Get your facts straight.
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Post by Warren on Mar 21, 2009 15:02:48 GMT -5
Warren: Congratulations to you as well! I recognized you as a threat very early on in this game. This is why I nominated you and Nathan in week 5. While you were my ultimate target that week, I feel that my assessment of you as a threat was much more on cue with reality than your assessment of me. You told me at the end of the game that you were surprised that I turned out to be such a threat in the end of the game. I am curious then as to why you nominated me for eviction every chance you got since you didn't see me as a threat when you did it. Question to all of you: Looking at all of the jurors, tell me what you think about each of their games. Tell me if they were strong competitors, pawns in your game, or whatever other opinons you have of them. Thank you for the congratulations and question, Sheree. You were a very tricky player for me to track in the game. I knew you were with Anthony and Donna, but you also kind of played up this aspect of working with Nathan and myself. You were very social and had a great work ethic in the challenges. At the start of the game you played up the mother role, the nice caring woman, but when you nominated me, after you said you wouldn’t when I kept you safe the first HoH, I knew that you were a gamer. I realized at that point the mother act was very much a part of your strategy as well as your personality. The whole joke of an excuse of seeing where people stood so early in the game never flew with me and I knew you were up to no good. Then I found out you pegged me as a ‘reactive’ player. The first time I nominated you I nominated you because I couldn’t trust you, you made the first move against me and I was ready to finish it. I would be silly and stupid to let you keep going when you already nominated me. But after that I continued to nominate you because that was what you expected from me since I was a ‘reactive’ player. I played up to your stereotype to ensure you wouldn’t expect what else I had going on in the game. I had to keep leading you on and had to keep ensuring that you knew my next move in order to fall into the background. Plus, why would I nominate someone new when I already know there is a healthy competitive tension between us? But in response to the statement I made about being surprised. I knew you were a threat right after you nominated me. But I when we had that conversation I was speaking retrospectively. I had my eye on you the whole game, but I wasn’t going to go out and say “Hey Sheree you are a huge threat!!! AHHHH!!!” I wanted you to keep thinking I was just going with the flow not realizing the player you were. After all, I had to keep playing up to your ‘reactive’ player strategy Question to all of you: Eric, I think Eric had a lot of potential to play a great game. His downfall was not caring about this game. He was never around or always busy. He rarely talked strategy or if he did it was noncommittal. We were aligned until I realized I was working a lot more for him then he was for me. Plus, his reputation of being a snake factored into me deciding to cut him lose. I wasn’t going to put in all of this effort to take him to the end if he wasn’t going to help me and possibly backstab me. Liz, I think she and Eric kind of fall under the same category of having great potential. She had a great reputation of going on streaks at a time and winning multiple challenges. I aligned myself with her early on in the game because I wanted a strong competitor to help me, but like Eric she wasn’t around as much as I would have liked. She was very chatty and I loved that aspect of her because I feel like she was one of the few that I really got to talk to. I didn’t want her to leave the night she was evicted and if I had my way she wouldn’t have left. Donna, I view Donna as a strong competitor when it comes to challenges because her social game lacked a lot. She was always there to compete and did relatively well. However, her reluctance to build a relationship with me really was her downfall in the game. Nathan and I controlled the later half of this game. We were either HoH and got to pick who was nominated or we had control of the votes when other players were HoH. Not having a solid relationship with me didn’t give me any inclination to keep her around. So in the end she was just a player with a great propensity to do well in challenge, which was a threat to me. Kathleen, I think Kathleen was one of the top players in this game. She was VERY social and tried her best in competitions, which is why she left early on. I knew people liked her and I knew she would try to win challenges. She had everything going on except for the fact she wasn’t aligned with Nathan or myself. Considering we had most of the power in this game that is why she didn’t get as far as she hoped. Sheree, you were another top player in this game. You were deceptive, smart, and mentally capable of winning challenges. You were great to talk to and one of the few players that had personality. If I liked you then I knew other people must love you. It was your game to win in a sense. You just chose to align with people who couldn’t pull out challenge wins to keep you safe. I knew you were a threat and had to be dealt with. Scott, I also feel Scott was misunderstood in this game. Scott and I had talked a couple of times and I saw him as a very good person to have an alliance with. He was very loyal and would actually listen to what I had to say strategically. It wasn’t until he won the POV to save me, which Nathan and I discussed, that he fully became a part of our alliance. I think Scott realized that Nathan and I were a force to be reckoned with and it was better to be with us then against us. I was sad to see Scott go and I was surprised when he left. Tom was a strong social player. We bonded the first week after I nominated him and made our ‘secret’ alliance. I told him no on would suspect us to be working together especially after I nominated him the first week. What Tom lacked in the challenges he made up in the social aspect of the game. However, I think a lot of what attributed to him getting so far in the game was me looking out for him. He was the third piece of my four-person alliance. Nathan, Tom, and Scott were the four people I really watched out for in this game. He might have won challenges but he was a great social player and I think he also realized like Scott it was better to be with Nathan and I then to be against us. I hope that answers your questions Sheree!
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Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 11:45:58 GMT -5
Thank you for your answers boys....I have just a follow up comment so each of you will understand what was behind my questions
Anthony: You admitted exactly what I figured you would (and hoped you would). Your game was an honest, strong game. You won competitions while keeping a low enough profile to not find the same fate as Kathleen...and ultimately myself did.
Nathan: I never said I didn't respect you for lying to me, I just stated a fact. Yes, I did lie to you. I knew probably before anyone else in the game that you, Nathan, Scott were a trio. My week of HoH should have shown everyone exactly what they needed to know but unfortunately doesn't appear that way. There were more than enough numbers to take out the three of you if anyone would actually compete. There were several competitions that didn't have a competition and one off the top of my head that Warren won HoH by default as the only competitor. Warren was my target that week and when he came off the block I made my first of two critical mistakes in this game...I saved you. I controlled that vote and convinced the others to vote for Billy. At the time I actually thought that Billy was a part of your alliance (not sure where he actually was in the game). You said "In the end that made me a lot of enemies because I'm responsible for so many of you being evicted, but I knew I had to do it or else I would be out." but then turned around and said that several gave you their diary count....now why would they do that considering you had no endorsements? Makes more sense that you had a viewer peek for you. I had hoped that you would admit to doing that (as there was no rule against that either) because it would have shown exaclty how smart you were. Instead I am curious as to who gave you their count...I know that I didn't and seriously doubt Kathleen, either Donna, Eric, Jason, Liz, or Mitch did either but the most you were off was by 10. Anyway.....on to Warren! You sort of answered how I figured you would but I guess it will fly with me. Yes I did peg you as reactive and I hold to that now.
Good luck to each of you!
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Post by nathan on Mar 23, 2009 11:00:14 GMT -5
Thank you for your answers boys....I have just a follow up comment so each of you will understand what was behind my questions Nathan: You said "In the end that made me a lot of enemies because I'm responsible for so many of you being evicted, but I knew I had to do it or else I would be out." but then turned around and said that several gave you their diary count....now why would they do that considering you had no endorsements? Makes more sense that you had a viewer peek for you. I had hoped that you would admit to doing that (as there was no rule against that either) because it would have shown exaclty how smart you were. Instead I am curious as to who gave you their count...I know that I didn't and seriously doubt Kathleen, either Donna, Eric, Jason, Liz, or Mitch did either but the most you were off was by 10. A few people gave me their post counts. Including some of those people who you "seriously doubt" would. And also, if you click the "search" button up near the top of the screen, it will tell you how many posts everyone has in their confessional. I didn't have to cheat. It just happens to be that I'm smarter than you.
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Post by sheree on Mar 23, 2009 16:29:14 GMT -5
I have written a response several times to what you just wrote, but I will just not because it just isn't worth it.
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