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Final 3
Mar 22, 2009 20:52:49 GMT -5
Post by tom on Mar 22, 2009 20:52:49 GMT -5
Sheree, I don't mean this personally, but I think you should be less vocal and let Anthony answer more. It does seem like you are defending him more than he is himself...
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Final 3
Mar 22, 2009 21:10:27 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 21:10:27 GMT -5
I am defending myself...will try to leave him out of it though so I don't defend him. Thanks for speaking up on that. I will delete what I just wrote and put it in here for you all to see!
I have to say that I have lost it with Warren....I never claimed to be honest with him or anyone else. If he perceives me as someone who was goody two-shoes and honest and better because I am honest then he didn't watch my game at all! I lied several times in this game. And I never criticized either of them for lying! I pointed out that Nathan lied to me but I never berated him for it! All I said was that he had lied. I wanted him to admit that he cheated in that last challenge to win but unfortunately he won't come clean which sucks because honestly that would have been just about the best strategic thing he could have done. There were no rules against having someone not playing peek at the numbers but unfortunately he decided to just say that all these people who he admits don't like him just decided to tell him their counts. Major disappointment.
Also seriously Warren's strategic decisions were to win challenges?? Whatever!
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Final 3
Mar 22, 2009 21:10:49 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 21:10:49 GMT -5
Warren said:
Sheree- I would describe Sheree as Maggie from BB6 because she has this great ability to befriend people and get them to think how she thinks. Like Maggie she was the leader of a group of players who believed they were better players because they didn’t “lie and deceive” when in fact some of them did. It is her way or the highway.
Wow, you weren't paying attention to me at all! Thanks for that insight.
Oh....and I wouldn't consider winning challenges part of strategy.....that is just part of the game. We ALL try to win, it has zero to do with strategy. And you winning the first challenge was actually less of a win than my HoH. You had points in your box remember? Those points gave you a 50% shot of winning against Donnann....Then it ultimately came down to who ordered you higher than her and considering it wasn't based off of anything, I wouldn't consider it much of an accomplishment. If you want to brag on your wins please pick a different competition!
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Mar 22, 2009 21:12:55 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 21:12:55 GMT -5
I will delete all the stuff I can and just put it here instead:
Nathan said:
"I enjoyed talked with Sheree, but as her true colors were revealed I found her to be a little bit of a bitch. I know that sounds harsh, but I honestly don't mean that in a bad way. I personally love bitches. I happen to be one. I just don't buy the whole "I'm just a sweet little mom" act. I find it slightly phony."
I am a sweet little mom. I made the only truely bold move in this game. I nominated the two people who I saw as a huge threat, even in week 5, and then didn't win a single challenge but stayed to the final 5. My nomination of you was because I saw you as a threat and I thought you were with Warren. I called you a coward when you said you were going to vote me out because that is simply the truth. You actually thought you would have a better chance at beating Anthony than me so you kept him. I bet you are wishing you had taken the "b***" instead! Truth be told, Anthony played a very strong game. He was competitive and won challenges and he apparently had a great relationship with people through a social game. I know he was constantly in my IM and I can see that he had that with others through their comments of him now.
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Final 3
Mar 22, 2009 21:13:30 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 21:13:30 GMT -5
Warren:
"I did feel betrayal in this game. I felt a remote amount of betrayal when Sheree nominated me after she said she wouldn’t, but I got over that very quickly. The biggest betrayal came when Tom decided to go against my wishes and vote to keep you because you guys were friends. At this point in the game I felt like I had done so much for Tom and for him to smack me in the face and go against me hurt. I thought he would trust me enough at that point to know I had his best interest in mind. We got past it and were still able to work together."
You have said this before but it is just in your mind. I never said I wouldn't nominate you. I had no fear that you would be nominating me in week 1 even before I contacted you. I wanted to get in close with you because I knew you had the nomination pass. As far as Tom is concerned, that wasn't just his relationship with Kat, that vote had a lot to do with me. Tom and I talked a lot and he did that calculating the risk. He said that he considered me his number one allie (I am curious who he would have been loyal to if you and me were on the block). Tom played a real smart game, despite not coming for the challenges. He had protection from me and from you.
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Final 3
Mar 22, 2009 21:14:48 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 21:14:48 GMT -5
warren in Eric's thread:
"I nominated Sheree and Eric because I wanted Sheree to realize her and I were done."
I guess me nominating you the week before wasn't enough. I made the power move there. I made 2 stupid moves in this game and am more than happy to admit that. If I had only made one of the two then this would be a completely different situation, but this is usually how these games go...someone makes one mistake and it costs them. The best move I made all game was nominating you and Nathan, I just didn't have what it took to stick it out and get Nathan out because I really did like him.
"I knew Tom would vote contrary to me because he wanted to make Nathan squirm."
He did not do this to be contrary to you, he did it because he wanted me in.
"This was the week when I realized Tom and Sheree had something going on because her reasons not to boot Tom were completely sketch. I voted against Tom. Tom used his vote nullifier and Anthony saved Tom because of the influence Sheree had upon him. I was very sad to see Scott go."
What was sketch? I said plain as day that I wasn't going to vote him out. What reason do you think I gave and why would that be sketch? I had no reason to influence Anthony whatsoever, he wanted Scott out for the same reasons that I did. We knew that he was with you and we knew that Tom wasn't so much with you.....as you can see by several moves that Tom made where he didn't vote with you (Liz/Kat and then again with me/Scott) You weren't all-powerful and you certainly weren't controlling any other aspects of the game other than competitions. I made my mistakes and I have more than admitted to them, they were down right stupid mistakes and I knew it (the helping on HoH) when I did it. You do realize that I would have won by a landslide right?
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Mar 22, 2009 21:15:20 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 21:15:20 GMT -5
Another Warren statement:
I believe Anthony won POV....
Yes, Anthony did win POV that round and took himself off the block, Donna went out 4-0
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Mar 22, 2009 21:21:07 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 22, 2009 21:21:07 GMT -5
OK....Kathleen do you need to fess up?
Did you give numbers to Nathan in that last challenge? Warren said that you offered him your numbers and claims that you gave our numbers to Nathan? What's up with that?
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Final 3
Mar 23, 2009 7:21:01 GMT -5
Post by Elizabeth on Mar 23, 2009 7:21:01 GMT -5
Also seriously Warren's strategic decisions were to win challenges?? Whatever! Hey Sheree, this is in no way defending Warren or anything, but winning your way to the finals is strategy too. Strategy is not just about making allies and being 'social' (however you want to define social) or by planning the order to take people out.
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Mar 23, 2009 10:25:08 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 23, 2009 10:25:08 GMT -5
Winning challenges isn't strategy in my book and if that is all he has to go on then this is a really really pathetic ending. I just know that he did more than this and I wish he would dig deep and pull it out for us, he won't get my vote with saying his strategy was to alternate HoH with Nathan.....heck if that is the case then pretty much all of us can claim that same strategy....which would mean he just got lucky.
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Mar 23, 2009 11:02:42 GMT -5
Post by Elizabeth on Mar 23, 2009 11:02:42 GMT -5
lol there was a game where I had to rely solely on winning challenges to advance, coz it was a whole tribe vs me.
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Mar 23, 2009 12:22:20 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 23, 2009 12:22:20 GMT -5
LOL, yeah that would suck...but winning wasn't strategy. Winning was just what had to be done.
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Mar 23, 2009 15:42:05 GMT -5
Post by tom on Mar 23, 2009 15:42:05 GMT -5
but what DID anthony do? warren and nathan made errors because they made moves. anthony didn't really do anything, in my eyes.
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Mar 23, 2009 16:37:23 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 23, 2009 16:37:23 GMT -5
I disagree. Anthony made connections with every single juror here. He played a respectable and social game.
And to answer your questions to Warren about why he didn't get rid of me, I can answer that for you.....he didn't have the votes. He thinks he is some Dr. Will but Dr. Will controlled people to do his bidding...Dr. Will had the votes. They mistakenly have compared me to Maggie because they obviously didn't pay attention to me, my game, or ultimately anything else going on around them and only concentrated on winning challenges.
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Final 3
Mar 23, 2009 16:53:23 GMT -5
Post by sheree on Mar 23, 2009 16:53:23 GMT -5
And just to be clear...I think Anthony hasn't done a great job of answering the questions...but, I also don't think that someone deserves a beat down just because they suck at answering questions. He is young and it shows in his answers. I know how he played because he was very social with me. I think the social aspect is what he did the best even with winning challenges. Nathan has done nothing but beat down people who ask him questions that he doesn't like. Basically calling me stupid when I asked him about the final challenge. I still have yet to hear anyone say they gave him numbers....then he admits to using the search button (after getting his teeth pulled). Note to Thrills: Make sure it can't be seen in the future!! I like Warren and Nathan, despite what it may sound. I obviously trusted Nathan enough to share answers with him....I knew better but still did it....you know, that is such a Maggie thing to do Whatever, buttheads.
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